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STEM Symposium
Science, Technology, Engineering & Mathematics
April 22, 2009
Asking Tough Questions: Politics & Structure that Prevent Systemic Changes
Don Langenberg asked the question, Why is higher education the slowest to incorporate research results showing what works well in higher education? Business is much quicker. A student today getting a degree in physics would likely sit through the same curriculum freshman year through Ph.D. that he did.
Vanko presented a table to help organize the thinking about this question:
AREAS
THEMES
STEM Education
K-12STEM
Teacher PreparationFederal/State
PolicyHigher standards
Data
Underperforming schools
Teacher quality
Comments:
Standards are still an issue a highly qualified 8th grade ϡȱ math teacher is not required to be able to add, subtract, multiply, divide fractions.
A survey of math classes offered at the college level for those not pursuing a math-intensive course includes classes such as fractions without denominators.
There is a cultural view in the US that math is a talent similar to music and is held by only a few. Ordinary citizens cant be expected to master math. It is these ordinary citizens who make policy decisions about math education at the federal, state and local level.
As the Dean of Education, I am held responsible for the academic preparation of teachers, not for the performance of the students these teachers ultimately teach. If were serious about solving this, we must connect these two. Everyone involved in preparing teachers Community Colleges and Universities alike has to be responsible for the final outcome.
Universities are organized by faculty interest, not faculty assignment. No one is held accountable for whether the teachers they produce have students who learn.
Speaking in contradiction to the long held view of teachers: teaching today is significantly different. I (high school teacher) have Ph.D. and Masters degreed faculty in my department. Maybe we didnt know in the past how to add fractions, but assure you we do now. All the unqualified teachers are out of the classroom this may be the greatest success/impact of NCLB.
Teacher training and the image of how we look at teachers are still stereotyped negatively.
(STEM coordinator in Anne Arundel) we do action research at the undergraduate level for all teachers in training. For teachers, what matters is what is what is happening in the classroom their own classrooms. Also cover basic skills, like putting student test scores in Excel spreadsheet so you can manipulate them this is something I learned in teacher prep.
Action research it is important that teachers just understand what types of research there are, and which are the simplest to implement. Need better coordination of data, remembering that most important data to teachers is about their students.
(UMCP math faculty) Im old school about fractions and percentages. The advent of the calculator has ruined basic math skills. Students cant even explain what per cent is, conceptually. I dont allow calculators in class. You cant learn actual math, like fractions, with the calculator as crutch. Fewer students today know about theories of numbers this needs to be taught without a calculator. Students need to understand that 7/8 is less than 1, but 9/8 is more than 1. Calculators are part of the dumbing down of education.
(Salisbury science dean new) Reading a report lately Tough Choices for Tough Times, and wonder if we need to fundamentally alter how we do education in K-12. The agrarian model/structure is irrelevant. We need to reward teachers with compensation packages that are competitive. But do we have to throw out everything? Teachers want to tweak what exists.
(Stuart, UMCP) We are engaged in self-dumbing down phenomenon. Students can say I have a math block and that is indulged they are allowed to not take hard classes. 29 classes in math can be offered at a high school, including one known as numbers are our friends. This lets students choose the easiest possibility without understanding that they are undermining their own future. They can be quite industrious at avoiding math.
This is not the fault of the teachers. Higher standards what does that imply? If a 9th grader can do calculus, does that mean you succeed? This is the wrong measure. Doesnt allow room for math to be creative. We dropped 3-dimensional geometry years ago, because were in too much of a rush to get to calculus. This is why we use calculators we dont have time to slow down to really understand numbers. We have done a whole left brain/right brain split, and say that math is on one extreme and creativity is on the other. This is not true.
(Don L.) We have a mental math block in this country. US students score the worst in terms of parental attitude Were not good at math in our family is a common belief. Japanese families believe, Everyone can do math if they try hard enough, while the German attitude is, You will learn math.
(MD Department of Ed) Why would a teacher not be able to do fractions? Presumably they are graduates of an institution of higher ed. how did they not learn fractions? ϡȱ ranks the lowest in the Mid-Atlantic States per capita in the number of teachers produced vs. the number of students graduated. What does this say about teacher preparation in the state as a whole?
(APLU Representative) Do college presidents get rated on this? Are they held accountable for amounts and quality of teacher preparation? This is part of their mission. APLU is asking presidents of land grants to increase the quality and quantity of teachers produced. ϡȱ has committed to this.
(American Society Human Genetics) Just returned from Singapore, and my sense is that were already a 2nd world country in terms of technology and math. They have advantages it is a small population relative to ours, and has a centralized government, but they have a very diverse population. Difference is, they have a common curriculum. We have 50 sets of standards (by state), and 15,500 curricula (locally controlled school districts). Local control is a policy block in this country. How do we do national imposition, not just fully voluntary standards?
(UMB Student Regent) Teacher prep the path to becoming a math teacher is daunting. General education, math requirements, teacher prep requirements all this to teach Algebra 1 in Baltimore City Schools? My interest is in teaching K-12 I dont need to do higher math at college to do this well.
(?) We need to connect research on teaching to actual teaching. Very little is done in universities to encourage research on teaching. We teach on instinct. We dont subject this to evidence-based research. We cant cede decision-making to impressions, to being too sure of ourselves.
(UMCES) I had a student who wanted to be a teacher. Took him on a field trip. He is now a NASA space shuttle astronaut because of that field trip. I can change a life with a field trip. I cant remember what I lectured on yesterday, but every field trip stays in your memory. The state of ϡȱ has a great environment for field trips.
(?) Recently heard a K-12 teacher lamenting that his parents dont want a college education for their kid. See it as out of reach financially. The most important factor in student achievement is socio-economic status. This is the greatest predictor of student achievement. We simply dont have an equal opportunity at an education. Teacher merit pay schemes make this worse, as improvement is much more likely where there is a stable student population and solid socio-economic status. Teachers do better at schools where better students are.
(Eastern Shore Pres.) Im glad I dont get paid by the number of teachers I produce. We need to look at the conditions under which teachers are asked to work. And at the fact that choosing teaching makes you lesser than science or other professions. How society values teachers has an impact on how many, and what quality, teachers you get.
(Bill Stuart) Arne Duncan said there would not only be a STEM focus. I started in education under the National Defense Education Act. This was a broader initiative. We shouldnt look just for a silver bullet under a very focused STEM initiative.
(Math Prof.) 2x + 3x = 5x isnt on the ϡȱ standards test. Students cant do this without a calculator. They need to know Arithmetic before they learn Algebra.
(Gulick UMCP Math) Middle school certification is lower for math teachers; they get a K-6 certification, not high school. We pay homage to K-12 teachers, but Im the father of a teacher who dropped teaching. The climate of teaching needs to be looked at 80 hour weeks are unsustainable. We need to think about on-line work as an option for K-16 learning.
Also have a problem with teaching math as a one-shot deal you need to review and review and review. Music and Languages are learned this way; why do we expect math to be different.
(?) In terms of strategy we have too many asphalted-over schoolyards. Kids cant run around. We need a standard: for every hour in classroom, there must be 15 minutes outside.
(Business/Higher Ed Forum) Struggle to find what is working, what can we find to support. We are putting together resources in a policy clearinghouse at strategicedsolutions.org. Need to stress the evaluation of programs.
(?) If faculty can align teaching with research and service, this is the most successful way to do this. If you dont, the sum is just the parts, not greater than. You need a three-legged stool where all three functions are aligned. We need to embrace scholarship on teaching and learning at the university level everyone wins.
We are talking mostly about math or science we forget technology and engineering, and forget about the integration of the four. We need to broaden our conversation to emphasize the need for an interdisciplinary approach.
There is also a problem with constraints on data we cant learn about students at our own institution or at high school; we are blocked from getting data. Does this serve student privacy interests or our own parochial interests in not knowing how well we are doing?
(Ann Smith UMCP CBMG) We have shared missions, have brought faculty together to be engaged in teaching. Have organized around common interests and are bringing research into their teaching. We have 15 research faculty who have been meeting for a year, asking about what students are learning, reading what students say about their teaching. Doing a real assessment of learning and teaching effectiveness.
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